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		<title>By: Leon Bertrand</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Bertrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, 

If you care to read a basic economics textbook - any textbook, you would realise that there is a point in my not explaining the basics of economics to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, </p>
<p>If you care to read a basic economics textbook &#8211; any textbook, you would realise that there is a point in my not explaining the basics of economics to you.</p>
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		<title>By: David F</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>David F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Leon. Let&#039;s be honest, shall we? We weren&#039;t discussing banal and idiotic platitudes about &#039;strong economies&#039; bringing higher wages. We were debating (at your instigation, I should add) the specific &#039;reforms&#039; of the Howard era, which you claim resulted in a variety of benefits for Australian workers. I&#039;ve debated you in the best of faith, and given you repeated opportunities to explain precisely how these &#039;reforms&#039; lead to wage growth in concrete terms. You have repeatedly sidestepped this question.

Instead, you&#039;ve treated us all to a prolonged and embarrassing &#039;argument&#039; whereby you&#039;ve asserted that unknown economists have argued in non-existent textbooks that a range of non-specific reforms on Howard&#039;s part led to a series of inscrutable benefits to unidentified workers. In other words, you&#039;ve sail into a Bermuda Triangle of stoopid. I&#039;ll say it again - come back with an argument. In the meantime, if it pleases your childish caprice, you may yet again attempt to have the last word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Leon. Let&#8217;s be honest, shall we? We weren&#8217;t discussing banal and idiotic platitudes about &#8216;strong economies&#8217; bringing higher wages. We were debating (at your instigation, I should add) the specific &#8216;reforms&#8217; of the Howard era, which you claim resulted in a variety of benefits for Australian workers. I&#8217;ve debated you in the best of faith, and given you repeated opportunities to explain precisely how these &#8216;reforms&#8217; lead to wage growth in concrete terms. You have repeatedly sidestepped this question.</p>
<p>Instead, you&#8217;ve treated us all to a prolonged and embarrassing &#8216;argument&#8217; whereby you&#8217;ve asserted that unknown economists have argued in non-existent textbooks that a range of non-specific reforms on Howard&#8217;s part led to a series of inscrutable benefits to unidentified workers. In other words, you&#8217;ve sail into a Bermuda Triangle of stoopid. I&#8217;ll say it again &#8211; come back with an argument. In the meantime, if it pleases your childish caprice, you may yet again attempt to have the last word.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Bertrand</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Bertrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

If you don&#039;t understand how a strong economy results in higher wages, then I&#039;m afraid you should do some research rather than saying silly things such as &quot;Come back when you have an argument.&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t understand how a strong economy results in higher wages, then I&#8217;m afraid you should do some research rather than saying silly things such as &#8220;Come back when you have an argument.&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: David F</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator>David F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Leon. &#039;Most economists&#039; try to support their positions with arguments and evidence. You&#039;ve repeatedly made the sweeping claim that Howardian &#039;reform&#039; caused wages to increase. You&#039;ve been repeatedly asked for evidence of this.  
Rather than provide any, you&#039;ve instead stuttered and stammered like a nun in a brothel, and said it was Mabo, &#039;the vibe&#039;, etcetera.

Come back when you have an argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Leon. &#8216;Most economists&#8217; try to support their positions with arguments and evidence. You&#8217;ve repeatedly made the sweeping claim that Howardian &#8216;reform&#8217; caused wages to increase. You&#8217;ve been repeatedly asked for evidence of this.<br />
Rather than provide any, you&#8217;ve instead stuttered and stammered like a nun in a brothel, and said it was Mabo, &#8216;the vibe&#8217;, etcetera.</p>
<p>Come back when you have an argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Bertrand</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Bertrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In that case, most economists must be comedians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that case, most economists must be comedians.</p>
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		<title>By: David F</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>David F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No need to be defensive, Leon. You simply haven&#039;t made your case.

You&#039;ve said: Wages rose because of Howard&#039;s reforms.

I asked: Which reforms caused wages to rise?

You responded: Er, all of them.

Such answers belong in comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to be defensive, Leon. You simply haven&#8217;t made your case.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve said: Wages rose because of Howard&#8217;s reforms.</p>
<p>I asked: Which reforms caused wages to rise?</p>
<p>You responded: Er, all of them.</p>
<p>Such answers belong in comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Bertrand</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon Bertrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David F,

I am certainly not being dishonest. The reforms of the Howard government are a matter of record. How they improved the economy and increased wages can be discerned by reading from a basic economics textbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David F,</p>
<p>I am certainly not being dishonest. The reforms of the Howard government are a matter of record. How they improved the economy and increased wages can be discerned by reading from a basic economics textbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Rx</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-741</link>
		<dc:creator>Rx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An unregulated labour market didn&#039;t save American workers during the GFC. Their unemployment is almost double Australia&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An unregulated labour market didn&#8217;t save American workers during the GFC. Their unemployment is almost double Australia&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryM</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>GaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 07:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, I hope you are right.Abbott and his team if elected will make Howard look like a social worker.It worries me that some people are so dumb, they can&#039;t see the evil in some of these bastards.I indeed despair, after all of the lies and deceit of the Howard years, people are so glued to their ideology they can&#039;t see what the last government was about, and would be prepared to try the experiment again.

It is a delight indeed to read the paragraphs of bullshit dedicated to the so called economic success of the Howard government, when &#039;Blind Freddie&#039; could see their raison detra was about screwing over the unemployed, sick, disabled, and any other social welfare recipients period.All their faux bullshit about the less fortunate in our society, should be subject matter to obtain a PhD in propaganda.

The Chinese economy is paying for every thing, and the former government sat back and&#039;Let the good times roll&#039;

But I give credit where it is due, Howard with his baby bonus, and other treats for his brain dead followers that live in the slums of every capital city in Australia, was indeed his finest hour.He was fully cognizant of the fact, all that loot he gave out was gonna end up in the pockets of his mates, and indeed that&#039;s where it did end up,This all by way of consumer goods,if any of that cash went to-wards a child&#039;s education or other welfare I will eat shit for a fortnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, I hope you are right.Abbott and his team if elected will make Howard look like a social worker.It worries me that some people are so dumb, they can&#8217;t see the evil in some of these bastards.I indeed despair, after all of the lies and deceit of the Howard years, people are so glued to their ideology they can&#8217;t see what the last government was about, and would be prepared to try the experiment again.</p>
<p>It is a delight indeed to read the paragraphs of bullshit dedicated to the so called economic success of the Howard government, when &#8216;Blind Freddie&#8217; could see their raison detra was about screwing over the unemployed, sick, disabled, and any other social welfare recipients period.All their faux bullshit about the less fortunate in our society, should be subject matter to obtain a PhD in propaganda.</p>
<p>The Chinese economy is paying for every thing, and the former government sat back and&#8217;Let the good times roll&#8217;</p>
<p>But I give credit where it is due, Howard with his baby bonus, and other treats for his brain dead followers that live in the slums of every capital city in Australia, was indeed his finest hour.He was fully cognizant of the fact, all that loot he gave out was gonna end up in the pockets of his mates, and indeed that&#8217;s where it did end up,This all by way of consumer goods,if any of that cash went to-wards a child&#8217;s education or other welfare I will eat shit for a fortnight.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryM</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/12/10/back-to-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>GaryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 06:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, I hope you are right.Abbott and his team will make H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, I hope you are right.Abbott and his team will make H</p>
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