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	<title>Comments on: Revenge is a dish best served tepid &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: David F</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/11/09/revenge-is-a-dish-best-served-tepid/comment-page-1/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>David F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t agree there, DITF.

You&#039;re right that it took some time for Workchoices to be fully replaced, however, large sections of it were put on ice by the ALP, most notably, the provisions around AWAs.

&#039;Flexibility&#039; of labour markets has, so far, been a very poor predictor of how well a nation gets through this recession. Unchecked &#039;flexibility&#039; during a downturn only increases the likelihood that firms will shed jobs needlessly, thus reducing aggregate demand and worsening the entire economy.
Countries with flexible labour laws (such as the US, the UK, and Spain) have performed demonstrably worse than countries with tougher labour laws (such as France, or Germany).
What I&#039;m getting at is that, during a recession, you want businesses tightening their belts, and not just workers. It&#039;s essential that businesses keep every job that they can, otherwise the economy can unravel very quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t agree there, DITF.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that it took some time for Workchoices to be fully replaced, however, large sections of it were put on ice by the ALP, most notably, the provisions around AWAs.</p>
<p>&#8216;Flexibility&#8217; of labour markets has, so far, been a very poor predictor of how well a nation gets through this recession. Unchecked &#8216;flexibility&#8217; during a downturn only increases the likelihood that firms will shed jobs needlessly, thus reducing aggregate demand and worsening the entire economy.<br />
Countries with flexible labour laws (such as the US, the UK, and Spain) have performed demonstrably worse than countries with tougher labour laws (such as France, or Germany).<br />
What I&#8217;m getting at is that, during a recession, you want businesses tightening their belts, and not just workers. It&#8217;s essential that businesses keep every job that they can, otherwise the economy can unravel very quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Don't ignore the facts!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don't ignore the facts!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Workchoices would have exacerbated current problems of unemployment and underemployment.&quot;

Am I missing something? Workchoices only was replaced on July 1 2009 - green shoots were appearing by then!  A flexible labour market helped workplaces deal with the downturn (e.g. become part-time, not lose a full-time job). If you tried to do this under Labors laws, well, you cant do it! Unemployment would be higher of Labor&#039;s system was in place - something to bear in mind for next recession....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Workchoices would have exacerbated current problems of unemployment and underemployment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Am I missing something? Workchoices only was replaced on July 1 2009 &#8211; green shoots were appearing by then!  A flexible labour market helped workplaces deal with the downturn (e.g. become part-time, not lose a full-time job). If you tried to do this under Labors laws, well, you cant do it! Unemployment would be higher of Labor&#8217;s system was in place &#8211; something to bear in mind for next recession&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Toaf</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/11/09/revenge-is-a-dish-best-served-tepid/comment-page-1/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Toaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;d be, &quot;Strayern&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;d be, &#8220;Strayern&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Toaf</title>
		<link>http://www.groupthink.com.au/2009/11/09/revenge-is-a-dish-best-served-tepid/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>Toaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come off it. Whenever Howard pops up in the media he has something original, though-provoking and unexpected to say. I for one didn&#039;t expect him to rubbish the current government while claiming that his government was grouse. I think Stayern democracy needs more of this kind of constructive comment from clever old coots like John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come off it. Whenever Howard pops up in the media he has something original, though-provoking and unexpected to say. I for one didn&#8217;t expect him to rubbish the current government while claiming that his government was grouse. I think Stayern democracy needs more of this kind of constructive comment from clever old coots like John.</p>
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